What changes when the point of what you build is a conversation, not a conversion?
On Thursday's show, with Nico's Marketing Machine build on screen (a marketing team drawn as a car), I said: "I'm done with the B2B website game." And then: "This is not for conversion, this is for a conversation."
Here's why. "Now that we're in the conversation, it's never been easier for me to understand that you like cars, and that you might know cars, and that this analogy will hit, guaranteed. And now you trust me. You know that I care about you and what you care about."
My last lesson of the show: "the building's the easy part, but that's not the value."
If you're rethinking what your site, your diagram or your demo is for, that's the line I'd start from.
Watch the episode: https://valuefirststudios.com/media/episode/vf-ai-daily-2026-10-22
Where this came from
Taking the Business Apart to See How It WorksWatch the full conversation this clip was pulled from.
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