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"We've never exchanged money, which is usually what we think of as value"

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To your point, Karin - people coming up and saying I know you're from LinkedIn. That's the result of your work all year. Having those moments.

And I met you in person last year. It's fun, and it's the outcome of the work that we do all year.

And it's interesting, because why I'm hesitating saying that is: Karin, you and I don't work together. We've never exchanged money, which is usually what we think of as value and the ROI of going to these things.

But it's also not. And I'm kind of in real time struggling with that.

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